‡ NøRMÅNDÝ887 ‡
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Post by ‡ NøRMÅNDÝ887 ‡ on Aug 17, 2006 2:42:09 GMT
Lol. I personally do not like that specific group of terrorists either. I don't have a religion so I will not add input onto Islam, I would personally like to be Jewish out of all so I guess I automatically support Israel? I feel a bit sorry for Israel, nobody really likes them over there
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Levi
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Post by Levi on Aug 17, 2006 7:29:00 GMT
Think about it like this. Imagine if people came and took away Israel and you had no choice but to live in outcast and have no where but the hot desert to live in. Wouldn't you want to get back at those people? If you did, you would be the terrorist. I know it doesn't sound fair, that's how the "terrorists" feel. Terrorist is a stupid, socially-constructed word. There is no "bad guy" in any case, just threats. If there were, both sides would be, just different points of view. Again, your metaphor is completely off. Before 1948 there were already big Jewish communities with their 'own' territories within Israel but they were under the control of the British. The decision was brought to the UN which enabled the Jews to construct their own country on their land and the initial plan was that the Jews will live along side with the Arabs (Jews barely even had any weapons back then). Well surprise surprise, the second the Jews started building their country they get attacked by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq who also got support from other countries like Libya and Saudi Arabia and guess what happens? A bunch of barely armed Jews defeat the all. Even more ironic was the fact that about a million Arabs fled from Israel’s territory thinking that the Arab armies would win and they would return to their home but after the war was over there was no way we were going to let them back in. Those people called themselves refugees and claimed they should have the right to return to their homes while the reason they left them in the first place was to give the Arabs a heads-on with control over territories. The refugees also kept using that as an excuse when they created terrorist groups. Here's something interesting about those "Freedom fighters" of yours: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riotsObliterating an entire village of unarmed Jews... in 1929! Long before Israel was created. Call that freedom...
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Post by Mauritania on Aug 17, 2006 13:21:53 GMT
The refugees fled because they did'nt want to get killed. When your in dire straights such as that you want all the hope you can get to improve your morale. It's almost as though you see the Arabs as sub-human barbarians who offer nothing but death but I'm sure there is someone in Palestine who writes the same arguement as you with a few of the words switched or changed.
Propaganda can work both ways...
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Levi
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Post by Levi on Aug 17, 2006 20:48:35 GMT
The refugees fled because they did'nt want to get killed. When your in dire straights such as that you want all the hope you can get to improve your morale. You're wrong. First of all, when the Jews came to build their country you think they planned a war? Hell no. The Arabs attacked us and if their own people were running away from that war that's really not our problem. Second, they weren't running away. The Arab countries asked the Arab population to evacuate from certain key points to let them have some advantage over the 'Israeli' force. The Arab countries promised them gold and riches and that when they would return to their home they could take all of the Jews' equipment. Actually, 60%% of the areas where the Arab refugees used to live didn't get a scratch during the war and were rather used by the Arabs as foot holds. If you still blame Israel for the creation of those "refugees" then you are Anti-Semitic, simple as that. It's almost as though you see the Arabs as sub-human barbarians who offer nothing but death but I'm sure there is someone in Palestine who writes the same arguement as you with a few of the words switched or changed. Propaganda can work both ways... To tell you the truth, I do see them as barbarians! Back yourself up a little and tell me what good did the Arabs or even the entire Muslims world ever bring to the human kind? Did they make any researches or advancements in any science, physics or chemistry that help us understand our world? Made advancement in medicine that would help the world in any way? Have any great artists that made something that is worth remembering around the world? Did they ever actually made something that contributed to the welfare of humans? Nope. All the Arabs ever did or do is rape, kill and bomb. That's it. Not barbarians? They kill each other over a piece of land or would kill their sister if she wouldn't marry their friend. You should see some of the other ridicules "laws" they have. I DARE you or anyone else here, to find anything good they ever did after the arrival of the Islam.
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Post by Mauritania on Aug 18, 2006 12:01:30 GMT
Being Anti-Semitic and disagreeing with Isreali Foreign Policy are two entirely different matters. Although I agree that all religion is lies and used by people to brainwash others to establish themselves as power.
Muslim scholars were among the first to use the base ten number system and the foundations of the metric system now commonly used in mathematics.
You can say the same about Christianity, it took alot bodies on the ground to kick start the Renaissance. If the Christian church in Europe did'nt devide I could easily see people still burning witches and being executed for not turning up to go to church today at the mercy of the Pope.
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Bruno
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Post by Bruno on Aug 18, 2006 14:43:53 GMT
Hey guys...I don't think it's ok to figth about religion here... And what does christianity have to do with the matter MistaCrow?O__O It's JewsVSArabians so why do you involve christianity?
I'm a christian and I feel offended by your words. The past is not the present. Today and on christianity doesn't do that anymore. (Well, at least in most places) and the church helps people, you know.
Altough I do agree that, in the past, christianity was very...extreme.>___< However, fighting about religion is not the option. Please keep this conflict between Israel and Arab.u__u
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Levi
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Post by Levi on Aug 18, 2006 17:11:26 GMT
Being Anti-Semitic and disagreeing with Isreali Foreign Policy are two entirely different matters. Yes but if you still blame Israel for the creation of those 'refugees' despite all the facts and evidence I brought to you, means you just ignore everything even common sense and just blame Jews for everything. Is that not Anti-Semitic? Muslim scholars were among the first to use the base ten number system. That's wrong. The only thing that the decimal numeral system has to do with Arabs is that some of the digit resemble the ones used by Arabs. The truth is that the first man to ever start using the decimal system was a Jew, long before Arabs even thought about something like that. Let's say they even were "among the first" to use this system. This makes them something special for all eternity? For you to not get confused, look for something else in the last 600 years. the foundations of the metric system now commonly used in mathematics. Wrong again. Arabs have NOTHING to do with this. Even if they did that's not anything special; allot of different groups of people used different measurement systems, if one of the group's system was more popular that doesn't make it any better. You can say the same about Christianity, it took alot bodies on the ground to kick start the Renaissance. If the Christian church in Europe did'nt devide I could easily see people still burning witches and being executed for not turning up to go to church today at the mercy of the Pope. You want to tell me that there was nothing good ever done by the Christians? Again, look last 600 years for advancement in science, medicine, art, just anything and then tell me Christians weren't involved. When I think about Muslims or Arabs I can't really think of anything good...
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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 18, 2006 22:12:22 GMT
Please don't start to turn this topic into predujudice, however Levi, I am in more or less in full agreement with you.
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Levi
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Post by Levi on Aug 19, 2006 6:14:43 GMT
I don't think that what I said qualifies as prejudice. I only stated facts, nothing more. Also, those facts regard the entire group, not only a small part of it.
You can't call that prejudice.
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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 19, 2006 19:47:30 GMT
I'm not saying it was, i'm just saying don't let it turn into it. In anycase, i'm back from Edinburgh, and it was weird, on the streets were people handing out flyers saying that quote: "US + UK + Israel = Axis of Terror <new line> Join the Israeli war crime protest" I couldn't believe it, someone tell me the crime of defending yourself from terrorist attacks?!
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Levi
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Post by Levi on Aug 19, 2006 19:56:46 GMT
You should ask them that... You'll probably get stoned...
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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 19, 2006 20:08:42 GMT
Likely, lol. Icidenly, one of them did look like Adolf Hitler!
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mk101
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Post by mk101 on Aug 20, 2006 18:53:14 GMT
Actually the problem is due to extremism.Most innocent muslims fall prey to interpretation of the koran by the extremists.And as far as I know Islam doesn't support the bloodbath of innocent people regardless of their religion.Yesterday I saw a seminar of a Israeli person who clearly asserted that the world notices the voice of only the extremists.However they fail to listen to voice and reason of the silent majority of the muslims. Overally I'm also disappointed and angry with those extremists, because I'm sure that God favours peace.And its critical that they realize their mistake and stop the bloodshed. Peace, mk101
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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 20, 2006 19:35:31 GMT
Then the problem lies in that they 1) Don't want to give up the power they have 2) are so blind they don't actually think that they are doing anything wrong by running into large groups of Israeli men, women and children with the intention of murdering as many as possible.
Bloodshed will never stop, not as long as the possiblity of power exists, and the leaders hold on it. And global equality is also not possible, as communism leads to corruption, the problem with humans are humans. I'm not saying that Israel is 100% (closer to 90%) and Palestine is 100% wrong, but I do know that terrorism is wrong, and killing is wrong.
And Mauritania, how many French resistance members strapped explosive to their chests and ran into crowds of innocents?
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Levi
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Post by Levi on Aug 20, 2006 21:05:11 GMT
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