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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 14, 2006 0:35:13 GMT
I agree, burning Israel is a stupid action, it would not solve a thing. The arab countries in the world don't care that Israel is where it is, even if it was an island in the Pacific ocean they would hate it, it is simply to do with the fact that they hate outsiders, and people with better countries than theres. Hizbollah is nothing more than a puppet for Iran.
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Post by Ψїş†ÆCROW100 on Aug 14, 2006 1:15:07 GMT
"the way of the jihad which dictates that the ultimate purpose of Islam is to convert all the people of the world to its religion and kill those who stand in the way or do not agree to convert from their free will."
That's very mean. Why can't all three big religions live in peace together?
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Post by Levi on Aug 14, 2006 4:25:23 GMT
Over 90% of world terrorism (outside Muslim countries) is caused by Muslims... It's a fact.
What I advice doing is just put all the muslims in their own countries and let them live there peacefully. They can rape, bomb and kill each other over there as much as they want. ;D
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Post by Levi on Aug 14, 2006 5:16:56 GMT
Here are a few interesting entries from the Koran (Muslim Bible):
-"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
-The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.
-"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
There's plenty more but I don't want to give you an overdoze of information...
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Post by Mauritania on Aug 14, 2006 11:10:50 GMT
Its amazing to see the comments here that Isreal is justifed in using any amount of force necessary to release their solider, if this is acceptable in peoples eyes then they should not be surprised by the increase in recruimtent for suicide bombers.. The facts are that Palestine is under OCCUPATION, would the United States or United Kingdom allow a section of their country to be taken by force, the people expelled and do nothing about it, I dont think so!
If moderate palestinians are not given concessions, the extremists take over. It happened when Israel fought for independence from the british pre 1948, and in the USA in their war of independence 1776. Israel seem to believe if you punish the entire population of Palestine that the Palestinians will force the terrorists to stop attacking Israel. When has this approach ever worked?
Anyway, the cease-fire comes into affect today so hopefully the violence will stop.
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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 14, 2006 11:26:12 GMT
What do you mean 'punnish the population'? don't you think people expect to get angry when terrorists in palestine run into crowds of innocet cillivans with the sole intention of killing as many people as possible? It's unexcusable, Israel is not attacking or provoking them, it's just self defence! How would you like it if some people came to your home and told you that you had to leave your home because it is 'theirs' even though it's not and if you didn't so it, they would kill you and your family and friends horribly. I see nothing wrong with the measures put in place by Israel.
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Post by Levi on Aug 14, 2006 19:29:49 GMT
Its amazing to see the comments here that Isreal is justifed in using any amount of force necessary to release their solider, if this is acceptable in peoples eyes then they should not be surprised by the increase in recruimtent for suicide bombers.. The facts are that Palestine is under OCCUPATION, would the United States or United Kingdom allow a section of their country to be taken by force, the people expelled and do nothing about it, I dont think so! This is a really stupid claim. When exactly did we 'occupy' those territories? They attacked us 6 times in the course of 50 years, in some of the wars they lost territories. Most of them we gave back although we didn't have to so they should be thankful we didn't keep more of their territory. Fact is, they don't have the RIGHT to ask for their territories back.Answer this mauritania, why do we have to give them back teritories we won in a war they started against us?
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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 14, 2006 20:58:05 GMT
If I recall right, when you people moved many Israeli homes for a final good measure, the hamas government moved in to create sites for missile silos such, not homes. I can't support terrorism, never.
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Post by Ψїş†ÆCROW100 on Aug 14, 2006 22:17:50 GMT
I hate terrorists with a passion. I would love to see all of there evil blood redorcorating the walls of the good people.
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Post by ‡ NøRMÅNDÝ887 ‡ on Aug 15, 2006 3:15:12 GMT
Two questions: Are terrorists one-sided and are really all that bad? Who are the terrorists to the Middle-Eastern terrorist groups?
I'm not on their side, I am just trying to put in some point of view.
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Post by sPiRiTnInJa on Aug 15, 2006 10:13:47 GMT
Well you excuse people running into large crowds of people with the sole intention of killling as many as possible, but I just can't do.
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Post by Mauritania on Aug 15, 2006 10:46:30 GMT
What about the French Resistance or Solidality?
I'm taking about the shelling of a family on a beach on Gaza, when there was suicide bomber the tanks roll into the West Bank and the helicopter gunships whose gunners aren't really that accurate.
As for the eteries from the Koran, there is an entry in the old testement which calls for the destruction of the Kalmaanities, so Islam isn't the only religion which calls for the death of others.
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Because if they don't over the next hundreads and thousands of years, thousands and millions more people will die for a worthless cause for a worthless piece of desert.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The difference between terrorist organisations and political parties are not often ideological.
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Post by Levi on Aug 15, 2006 12:14:37 GMT
I'm taking about the shelling of a family on a beach on Gaza, when there was suicide bomber the tanks roll into the West Bank and the helicopter gunships whose gunners aren't really that accurate. Those gunships are super accurate, the problem is when they come the people hide the terrorists and form a mob around them trying to hide them. So we shouldn't really care about them dieing if they are helping them. As for the eteries from the Koran, there is an entry in the old testement which calls for the destruction of the Kalmaanities, so Islam isn't the only religion which calls for the death of others. First of all the Koran calls for the destruction of E=V=E=R=Y=O=N=E that are not muslims and second of all what's Kalmaanities? Show me where that's written exactly. This shows me you don't really know what you are talking about. The so called 'occupied teritories' were captured in the 6 day war in 1967. Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Syria all attacked Israel and after they lost the war they cry about us taking their teritories?! They should be thankfull we didn't obliterate them like they wanted to do to us. Because if they don't over the next hundreads and thousands of years, thousands and millions more people will die for a worthless cause for a worthless piece of desert. You're right, we should use way more force in fighting the terrorists. Maybe if one time we just kick the crap out of them they will learn it's not worthwhile for them to attack us. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The difference between terrorist organisations and political parties are not often ideological. They can't be called freedom fighters, they attack our lands and after we retaliate they say they fight for freedom. Ask any of those 'freedom fighting' organizations and they will tell you their purpose in attacking Israel is to kill all the Jews that live there. Their fighting methods don't even deserve respect. They kill children and civilians on purpose and then hide umong their own to make it look like we do the same. Even if we were doing the same they still always start the wars.
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Post by ‡ NøRMÅNDÝ887 ‡ on Aug 17, 2006 1:27:37 GMT
This shows me you don't really know what you are talking about. The so called 'occupied teritories' were captured in the 6 day war in 1967. Oh hmm I learned something new I thought it was 1948 too. They can't be called freedom fighters, they attack our lands and after we retaliate they say they fight for freedom. Ask any of those 'freedom fighting' organizations and they will tell you their purpose in attacking Israel is to kill all the Jews that live there. Think about it like this. Imagine if people came and took away Israel and you had no choice but to live in outcast and have no where but the hot desert to live in. Wouldn't you want to get back at those people? If you did, you would be the terrorist. I know it doesn't sound fair, that's how the "terrorists" feel. Terrorist is a stupid, socially-constructed word. There is no "bad guy" in any case, just threats. If there were, both sides would be, just different points of view.
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Post by Ψїş†ÆCROW100 on Aug 17, 2006 1:59:56 GMT
I really don't understand how people living in non-Muslim countries can support Hezbollah or any other terrorist group, they follow the way of the jihad which dictates that the ultimate purpose of Islam is to convert all the people of the world to its religion and kill those who stand in the way or do not agree to convert from their free will.
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By the way, do any of you mind if I say what I want to happen to all terrorists?
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